3 months intensive learning …

by 卡梅尔 on April 16, 2012

Inspired by Benny’s effort to learn Mandarin (to whatever level) in 3 months, I took on the challenge too. After 4 or 5 years of study I still couldn’t talk!!! so I tried very hard over the last 3 months, and now? well, at least I’ve actually been doing it, talking that is, but oh so painfully slow.

For the past 3 months, even though I stayed at home in an isolated area in rural Australia, I have been studying Chinese and practising speaking it most of every day and night.

From Lang-8.com I made a few friends who agreed to help me talk Chinese, and they are all really wonderful people. They all liked the idea that they suddenly became a teacher! One chap said his work mates all laughed at him when he told them, but he didn’t mind at all, and prepared stuff for me just like trained teachers do. He even got his wife and son to help him record things for me to learn. They all worked very hard to help me. In return, they were happy to talk in English when necessary (which was quite often) to give them English speaking practice. Each of these people had slightly different accents, and along with their different teaching methods, I feel like I made great progress over the 3 months.

I kept up a weekly lesson with my teacher Xuni in Xi’an, and towards the end of the 3 months had 3 lessons a week with her. Because she didn’t want to practice her English at all, the time I spent with her always seemed even more valuable.

When my allotted 3 months was running out, and in a desperate measure to learn even quicker, I paid for some more lessons from teachers at http://www.glovico.org/. They were excellent too, and once again I really appreciated their attempts to speak no English at all.

The only problem I found with any of this was the sometimes very poor sound quality due to the slow internet. However, I learnt to treat that as yet another dialect that would force me to listen even more carefully.

Learning intensely like that, especially when you can feel you are making progress, becomes very addictive. It was so hard to call a stop to it all. And I think all my new friends were disappointed too.

And after all that, I’m still not very fluent. There is a lot to be said for being completely immersed in a language. That would be the only way to improve quickly, and I mean really immersed … no talkie English to any one at all … it simply reverses all of your new language learning.

Here is an excerpt from my last lesson with Xuni. I feel the biggest difference between now and 3 months ago is the fact that I am prepared to try and talk about almost anything. But what slows me down is still not knowing sentence structures (I think the structure I use is still English) and lack of vocabulary. I also have difficulty understanding what I hear. Even when I know each word that is said, I can’t always comprehend ordinary talk. Listening to this lesson again, I also lack confidence. I should just chat away and see what comes out …

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Why did I stop I hear you ask? Well, I’m going to France!!!!

But I will be back!

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Another great web site to help learn a language

by 卡梅尔 on January 31, 2012

Sadly, it’s not working at the moment :( If it was, I wouldn’t be writing this blog! But I trust it will come good.
I’m not good at thinking up mnemonics or hooks that help me remember characters and words. It has taken me many years to learn a lot of characters, but I have a long way to go. I really don’t want to spend the rest of my life learning so intensely as I have been doing. My research has shown me that some people, quite ordinary people, can learn way faster than I can! How, I asked myself is that possible. Mnemonics is the answer … and other hooks. That is, a hook that links something quite new to something that you know already. Well that’s all good and well to know, but how do you think up these hooks? I have been able to think of only a few, enough to know that’s the answer to learning a lot of stuff, but not enough to be any real use for me. The other day, out of pure frustration, I searched the internet (yet again, I do this often, especially for exactly this question) and this time I found it. A site where a community of learners have contributed their own hooks for remembering Chinese characters (and more!) This site calls these mnemonics and hooks “mems” and it is called memrise.com

Memrise.com is a wiki and is growing all the time. Needless to say it already has enough for me. I started on a course that taught me Survival Mandarin: menu words, place names and signs that occur in Shanghai. When I went to another course it kept my record and so the words I had learnt were already ticked off in the new course. It is a very good database in that sense. It has a scoring system too, and it gives points for getting words right, but the number of points depends on how long it is since you looked at a word. I’m not concerned about that though, I like the fact that it makes it easier to learn the characters.
I have a new goal. I want to learn 3000 characters in the next few weeks!!! I only hope the site starts working again soon :)

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Hey, 1 whole hour and no talk English!!!

by 卡梅尔 on January 31, 2012

2 things led up to my first lesson:
I’ve been studying A LOT all hols, and I’ve also been following the exploits of Benni in Taiwan.
And yesterday, I had my first lesson of the year, on Skype, with my teacher XuNi from Xi’an.
I didn’t write my usual story before my lesson that I usually read to my teacher … No, this time my preparation was just thinking about things to say. Obviously I tried to practise talking (see, no hear, my previous posts :( ).
I took a bit of advice from Benni .. I made myself just talk! I talked slowly, very slowly and XuNi was both patient and helpful. She was helpful because she asked me questions that made me think of things to say (note to self: write a list of questions.) And of course she corrected my sentences. I was thrilled because I understood her corrections when she said them.
Here is an excerpt from the lesson .. talking about a guest having to stay in a tent in the back yard because our house is too small!

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When can I practise talking Mandarin?

by 卡梅尔 on January 26, 2012

洗碗!!!

Tonight it was when I was washing up!! And it took me 14 minutes and 43 seconds to wash up! It certainly made it a more interesting job, and because my hands were wet I couldn’t turn off the recording which I wanted to do when I couldn’t think of something to say … so here it is. I’ll call it Wash Up Chat No 1. This infers of course that I will record myself (trying to) talk Mandarin when I am washing up … every time! This will certainly force me to get some practice! Once again, I think I can only get better … can’t possibly do any worse!

Before I made this recording, and all day, I was planning and practising to talk about the geography of China and Australia. But I had too many notes to refer to, so it wasn’t authentic chat.

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Now, about the goal I set myself 2 posts back …

by 卡梅尔 on January 21, 2012

Well, I got very close to having a great long things I could say about what I like doing in different weather situations … but circumstances changed!! My friend who I was going to try it out on got sick and went away for a while … and I didn’t get back to THOSE sentences. Well that’s my excuse, I’m sure I would have at least half succeeded, or I would have given it a go … but … I still can’t talk!!!!

I have a new idea to help me. Even though I have friends on the internet, and a friend that I actually talk with once a week, I fear I am not making any progress. I study all the time. My teacher has suggested I practise repeating what I hear on CDs that I have, ie the audio that comes with the text books, and with novels. I have a lot of them, and I didn’t realise I wasn’t doing much of just that!! I was still trying to learn new words, revise old words blah blah blah.

So lately it has been a lot of revision. I’ve been listening to, and repeating audio from both beginner novels, and my old university text books. I have really enjoyed it, and I feel like I am making progress … but still not talking by myself. Not thinking up my own sentences. I can do this when I’m writing, with the aid of my computer, but I want to just talk!

As Benni the Irish polyglot says: well do it!!!

After watching Benni’s first attempt at talking Mandarin, he speaks slowly, very very slowly, thinking carefully of each word or syllable one at a time, and getting it mostly right, I think I can do that!!! He put this video on the web too, which is brilliant! I’ve never seen a beginner trying to speak before (I have done all my study by distance ed or  correspondence lessons!)

I think what Benni has done for me, is point out that I don’t have to wait for someone to talk to before I can get practise. I have often tried to talk to myself, and that doesn’t really help much. But if I talk into a microphone, and put the results on this blog … ahh ha!! Voila! A reason to put what I have learnt into practise as often as I want. I have just tried it, and my talking is really bad, but I know I’m really bad … might as well share it with the world!  :) My mind was stuck on a few words I have revised recently, regarding growing plants in pots … I’d forgotten everything else that I have learnt before that!!!

这么多盆花!

这么多盆花!

I thought I would remember enough stuff to talk (albeit slowly) for 10 minutes. Hence my introduction saying I’m going to give myself 10 minutes to talk about my yard. Well, the recording is much shorter than that, I got to the usual mental block and gave up. Ah well, I failed at that goal too :(

Next time I will do a bit of proper preparation. I have great things that I can talk about, like washing clothes, mowing the lawn … can’t wait!

Please feel free to post a comment. I know I use a few wrong words, and wrong tones, so it probably won’t mean anything to anyone, not that anyone will come to my blog to listen. Ha ha, that’s why I’m game to make a fool of myself. Gotta luf!

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Benni the Irish polyglot

by 卡梅尔 on January 21, 2012

Check out this site! Benni is attempting to learn Mandarin in 3 months. I will be following his progress with great interest. I’m sure he will get very close to his goal of talking fluently (in his video he states what level of fluency he’s aiming at .. it’s high!) I really hope he is successful. It means that it is possible, and I only have to change my methods of learning to also get to the stage when I can talk fluently… sooner than later! The great thing is he is sharing everything .. of course he is, that’s how he makes his money .. but he is good at sharing, and he is even still learning new ways to learn .. and talking about what he discovers. So it really is worthwhile following his adventures, this time in Taiwan.

Benni’s blog – http://www.fluentin3months.com/

I’ve taken the following photo of Benni from his blog. I really admire the fun way that he works. The look on his face here reminds me of the Irish comedian Dylan Moran’s take off of the Irish!

Benny the Irish polyglot - week 1, learning Mandarin in 3 months

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Fluent in 3 months????

by 卡梅尔 on October 24, 2011

I know I’ve pointed out before that it takes 10 years to learn something properly (see: Why is everyone in such a rush? (Peter Norvig)) but …

today I found this: Language Hacking Guide by an Irishman called Benny Lewis. He reckons you can be fluent in 3 months!!! Step 1 is being positive, so I will believe him. (After 5 years of study, I might just be able to do something like that!)

I’ve only read the first few pages of his ‘book’, but he has instructed me to write something in my journal.  He says in his book, that he will wait until I do this :) . I have to make a blog (tick) and write up my first short term goal in learning my new language.

I’ve been thinking about what that might be while I was preparing dinner, and I think I will make it this:

I want to be able to talk about the weather, and the sorts of things I like doing in different types of weather… about 2 minutes worth of chatter. And I will give myself 1 week and 2 days to be able to do this. So, Wednesday week, when I see my friend 张舜花 at the local Chinese restaurant, I will be able to do this … easily!!!!!

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Instant help from native Mandarin speakers!

by 卡梅尔 on October 18, 2011

A few weeks ago I posted about Lang-8. Well here’s another one. After a few weeks I am even more enthusiastic about an amazing web site to help anyone learn any language! Sounds too good to be true? But it’s not. Developed in Japan, it has similarities to face book, in that it is very social and you have lots of friends. But the whole purpose is to help each other learn. Most of my friends live in China and their native language is Mandarin. They are all learning English. We all type in sentences, stories or even essays, in the language we are learning, and people who natively speak that language correct it. So I correct their writing and they correct mine. In doing this we learn about each other, have conversations, but above all are always helping each other learn. It is a very friendly and supportive atmosphere. Just amazing.
My friends range in age from 7 years!!! to 47 and like me, unstated (older). Most of them are about 20 and attending university.
Apparently the largest group on the site is the Japanese and English language group. The native language of one of my friends is Urdu! His must be the smallest group. He lives in Pakistan and unfortunately for him, so far, no English speaking person learning Urdu has registered on the site. He is a good man, and it is very interesting to read his stories.
It is not necessary to reveal any details about yourself, you can be completely anonymous, but most people are quite open.
The site is designed like a diary. Entries are written in a journal, and each entry has 4 options as to who can see it. It can be viewed by anyone on the whole internet, only by people on Lang-8, only by friends, or kept private.
There is a way of giving up to 5 stars to people who correct your work and you can give thanks points for comments too.
You can always see how many entries people have made, how many corrections they’ve made, and it’s easy to see their public profile and send them messages.
To use the site costs nothing, but I can remember the advertising being a bit much. So I opted to pay about $5 a month or $45 a year I think. Not much for the help that I get!
Of course all this means I don’t need this blog anymore! Just kidding, it really means I can change the focus of this blog. I won’t have to write up my poor Chinese and wait for a kind person to find it. I can get instant feed back at Lang-8. From now on I will put onto this blog things or methods that I use to help me to learn Mandarin.
Things like Pimsleur, Skritter, even Google translate!! and there’s more, but one at a time.

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Lang-8.com – brilliant!

by 卡梅尔 on October 2, 2011

I have found a brilliant web site to help me learn Mandarin: Lang-8.com
On this site you can get native speakers of Mandarin, and most languages, to correct your written sentences. There are a lot of Mandarin speakers who are very enthusiastic about correcting my work. In return, I spend some time correcting their work. Mostly it is very easy, but occasionally there is a very deep and meaningful essay .. the writer wonders why no-one has corrected it!
It is a fun social site where everyone has something in common: an enthusiasm for learning a foreign language.
It is free if you want to put up with the advertising, but only $5 a month if you want no adds, and to support the site maker.

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Noun phrase omission

by 卡梅尔 on September 5, 2011

Another very interesting grammar point from my favourite Mandarin grammar book.

“Modern Mandarin Chinese Grammar” by Claudia Ross and Jing-heng Sheng Ma 2006 Routledge

Noun phrase omission
In English, when a series of noun phrases refer to the same entity, all instances after the first reference typically occur as pronouns. In Mandarin it is more common to simply omit the noun phrase when it needs to be repeated in a sentence, BUT only when it occurs in the same grammatical role as the first instance.

In this example, the first reference and the omitted noun phrases are subjects of the verb.
张美丽每天都很忙。(—)早上六点起床,(—)七点出门,(—)晚上九点才回家。
Zhāng měilì měi tiān dū hěn máng ( – ) zǎoshang liù diǎn qǐchuáng, ( – ) qī diǎn chūmén, ( – ) wǎnshàng jiǔ diǎn cái huí jiā.
Meili Zhang is very busy every day. She gets up at 6 o’clock, she leaves the house at 7 o’clock, and she doesn’t get home at night until 9 o’clock.

In this example, the first reference and the omitted noun phrase are objects of the verb.
她买了裙子,到家以后马上穿上了(—)。
Tā mǎile qúnzi, dàojiā yǐhòu mǎshàng chuān shàngle ( – ).
She bought a skirt, when she got home she immediately put it on.

When a noun phrase with identical reference occurs in a different grammatical role from the first instance, it occurs as a pronoun and is not omitted. In this example, the first reference is the object of 喜欢 xǐhuan ‘to like’. In the second reference, it is the subject of the sentence.
我们都喜欢那个孩子。她又可爱又乖。
Wǒmen dōu xǐhuan nàgè háizi, tā yòu kě’ài yòu guāi.
We all like that child. She is both cute and well-behaved.

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